Wednesday, April 20, 2005

Playing the Waiting Game and My Wife's "Vision"

I got word from my agent that things are set to go for this Friday to close. I emailed her back about the insurance fiasco, and told her I hoped it was all cleared up by then. According to the loan officer, they should get the final settlement papers today. So, now I'm just playing the waiting game. And I hope that the insurance policy change doesn't send my financial plan out of whack. I've heard NOO policies are a lot more expensive than plain OO policies, so I'm expecting the worst and hoping for the best.

In the meantime, I've contacted the electric and water companies to have them transferred to my name, so I have them this weekend when I go to clean up the place. I haven't called the gas company yet, mainly because I won't need gas hookup initially. What burns me about both the electric and water companies is that they won't reimburse me or give me any kind of discount since I already had them turn on/off the utilities for the inspection in March. Hindsight being 20/20, I should have just left them on and put locks on everything.

I have also been looking for cheap stuff I'll need for the house. My agent said she knows a locksmith that can rekey all six locks on the house for $45. The only problem is the deadbolts are missing (thanks HUD), so I still need to get them replaced. Lowes has some cheap sets, and I think they'll rekey the locks for free if you buy from them (that's something on my to-do list). I also have to order the microwave/vent hood, but I want to wait until I can get the measurements. I originally was going to rent a steam machine from a local grocery store to clean the carpets, but I remembered a friend has one. I emailed him, and am keeping my fingers crossed. That will save about $20-$25. And I found a cheap coach light at Walmart for $10. I generally don't like to shop at Walmart for personal reasons, but since I have to treat this as a business, I need to find the cheapest (but still reliable) products.

Last night, I finally had time to discuss some issues with my wife. We have a 2yr old that is constantly in need of attention, so its almost impossible to have any lengthy discussions these days. But we found a few minutes last night to talk about this deal and other future deals. The good news is that she is onboard as far as starting a legal entity to do more deals - she even has some names lined up. The bad news is that she is still looking at this venture through pessimistic glasses. I mentioned in an earlier blog entry how her parents know a guy who was a real estate investor. Unfortunately, everything he told my wife's parents about REI was negative. He owned lots of SFR's and commercial buildings, and leased them all out. My wife claims he had a property management company oversee everything, but that's not what I heard. Anyway, all he would ever do is complain about bad tenants. So much so that it gave my wife and her parents a bad taste about being a landlord. I tried to convince my wife that one person's ordeal is not a blanket view of things, but she has it in her mind that we won't be doing any buy-and-hold investing. I did manage to get her to side with me after more discussion, but she is deadset on not doing any buy-and-hold investing in the near future. She just wants to buy properties and sell them via an agent or FSBO, or wholesale them to other investors (I was shocked when she actaully used the word "flip"). She also said she doesn't want us to go buy another HUD foreclosure - ever. It was just too much of an ordeal (which I kind of agreed).

Therefore, after this property is closed, I will start the wholesale route. I told her that even buying properties from motivated sellers instead of HUD or banks would still require captial up front (i.e., bandit signs, stakes, biz cards, and so on). She seemed to like that idea better than the back-n-forth runaround we had to deal with with this HUD property.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Steve, hope everything goes smoothly on Friday. Then it's on to the rehab. More hurdles, but it will be fun. This is so cool reading about your first deal.

Have you thought about building credit for the REI business, rather than relying on your personal credit or cash. You should check it out. It'll help take some of the edge off. Check out creditboards.com if you are interested.

Hope you don't think I'm spamming. I've been reading from the beginning. I may have mentioned this before.

Steve said...

Thanks for the kind words and for coming along for the ride. I've been to creditboards.com, and have only briefly looked into business LOC's. My main thing right now is to get this property out the door. I have a couple leads for investor-competant CPA's and attorneys, which I plan to meet soon afterward (no time right now). I know very little about a lot of the 'business' side of REI, and I want to make sure I get steered in the right direction, so I'm not having to start back at square one.

Thanks again!

Anonymous said...

We have also struggled with "flip" vs. buy-n-hold. For now we have decided
to go the BNH route for these reasons, all of which is of course qualified as opinion:

1) Appreciation - Property values have bottomed out here (I'm in your area)
and will only rise. Long-term appreciation, one of the biggest
attractions for me of RE in the first place, is impressive even 5-10 years
out. Add to this mix the area that we are in and the Tx-130 effect, and
I think the opportunity is further enhanced.

2) Income Sheltering - Having just filed my taxes, I see the short-term
benefits of sheltering up to $25K of Corporate Servitude (other) income
with active, paper losses of RE expenses and depreciation.

3) Investment Growth - Even with a cash-flow neutral property, when I run
the Growth numbers for a property like your #6, the after-tax cash flow
really starts to take off around year 5.

Year 3
Property Value $138,915
Remaining Loans $95,189
Equity $43,726
Change in Equity $7,574
After Tax CashFlow $242
Cash on Cash Return 2.65%

Year 4
Property Value $145,861
Remaining Loans $94,150
Equity $51,710
Change in Equity $7,984
After Tax CashFlow $822
Cash on Cash Return 8.98%

Year 5
Property Value $153,154
Remaining Loans $93,026
Equity $60,128
Change in Equity $8,418
After Tax CashFlow $1,435
Cash on Cash Return 15.68%


4) Time - Searching for a suitable deal to flip takes a lot of time to find,
fix, market, and sell. More time to find than a rental property, it seems to me,
where you're really just looking at cash flow. With JOB and family
commitments, time is the most valuable of commodities for me these days.
(I have a 2 yr old too - I can relate to the conversational challenges!)

5) Time II - The way I think of it, it is sort of like a retirement account. All the
"experts" say it is important to start contributing an amount each month immediately and regularly,
no matter how small, so that the investment can benefit from the full power of
compounding growth over time. Acquiring a property with good appreciation
potential is kind of like making a contribution to your 401k, in that way. Right? Maybe?? ;)


Wow - that's longer than I intended and maybe it's all a little inter-related. And
it's definitely qualified as a newbie opinion. Hope it is helpful though in
conversations with your wife about vision.

Good luck with your close this week!

Steve said...

Thanks Martin. Very good points all, and points I've discussed with my wife. My angst with the current property is that I know its a good long term BNH. It's not in the best place around, but it is definately not the worse - and, as you said, has a lot of future potential (Hutto is growing, TX130 & 45). It is also a relatively newer property, so maintenance shouldn't be an issue for the next few years. I also told my wife that BNH has huge tax advantages over flipping alone. All for naught - at least with this property. I could form a coup(sp?), but I may be in the dog house for a log time. :-P

I really like your "Time II" point. I've never thought about that aspect at all (well, not as much as I should). As one guru said (and I'm paraphrasing, because I don't know the exact quote) - 'What you do today will decide where you will be tomorrow.'

Thanks again for the post!

Trisha#1 said...

Well, I definitely am into buying-n-holding--both short-term and long-term. But, your strategy has to be determined by your region and property type, I've decided. One of our properties is in a great area (next door to a Christian college) and was purchased for near its appraised value. But, seemingly, no properties in that area go for less than they're worth. It's an area of high demand. That property will have to be a long-term BNH in order to achieve the desired profitability. But, it gets great tenants (nice, responsible college kids) due to the location and provides steady income. The properties we have been chosing as of late are in poorer parts of the city, where few investors venture (worse crime, worse tenants). But, these houses are just being rehabbed and refi'd to pull out capital for bigger prospects. We'll BNH these for about a year (using a property manager, of course) and then sell them to another investor as a package for a break-even price. Flipping, to me, is far more risky. You're subject to the volatility of the market in the super short-term. Yes, there are more headaches with the BNH strategy, but you are shielded a bit by your team members. But, not everyone has the stomach to deal with the little headaches that come up now and then. It's really not that bad, though--certainly not what your family friend made it seem.

Trisha#1 said...

On a side note, I hate shopping at Walmart, too. I'm not sure I can put my finger on it.... Maybe they use the wrong lighting or maybe it's that everything's slightly filthy. I wish I lived in a time when corner groceries still existed. I visited Montreal once.... They had a corner grocery nearby, run by an sweet elderly German couple. The woman quickly learned my preferences and would point out the fresh grapes and lemons to me every time she saw me come in. I miss that type of community. I suppose that's why I'm drawn to our modern version of the neighborhood--blogs and other online communities. I appreciate the fact that there is a place for an obsessive REI'er to feel at home!

Steve said...

Insightful response, Trisha. I actually like BNH's over flipping for all the reasons you and Martin exclaimed. In the long term (and even short term) these will be the assets that will provide a foundation for one's passive income. Flipping can be easier, but there is no real long term benefit (read: cashflow).

I also agree with your assessment about Walmart vs. corner ma-n-pa stores. I used to like Walmart, but I've really become somewhat anti-Corporate in recent years. If you read my profile, you'll see that two books I recommend are "The Corporation" and "Fast Food Nation". Both give chilling insight into the extremes corporations go to these days just to make a buck. Walmart, IMHO, uses their might to bully out smaller competitors by low-balling prices. From what I've heard they aren't the best to work for, either. Then there's the 'I am above God' owners and CEO's. Bah! I could go on about this, so I better stop now. :)